And then what happens when you feel that loss at the end of a life that's been fulfilled?” “You got to experience the moment they met and fell in love and then we jump through time in several instances and show what it's like for two middle-aged men to move past that moment of pure romance. Instead of learning about Bill and Frank’s relationship secondhand through Joel’s perspective, “what if instead we saw that backstory?” Druckmann muses. It wasn’t until Druckmann teamed up with Craig Mazin, who created shows like HBO’s Chernobyl, that the idea of just how to explore these characters changed. “, you meet Bill and he's this hardcore survivalist, this conservative guy, and then you find out he's had this partner named Frank that he loved very much but he lost because he was too focused on survival and didn't love his partner back in the way that his partner wanted to be loved, which is appreciating life, and art, and all these other aspects that make us human,” Druckmann says. But Druckmann knew he wanted to see more Frank in the series, because fans knew there was more.

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